Fighting Low pH
Written by Geoff on July 12, 2009 – 4:40 pm
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Written by Geoff on July 12, 2009 – 4:40 pm
Written by Geoff on June 28, 2009 – 8:59 am
The Bionic bottles indicate I should not be dosing more than 25 ml per day of each which has not been enough to keep my KH and Ca levels at target levels. I have been finding I need to slowly dose 30 ml in the morning and then another 30 ml at night.
I did switch from Tropic Marine Pro salt to Reef Crystals salt, started using the ZEOvit Reactor, and I am noticing some good growth from my corals when I started seeing instability with my KH levels. I wonder what I am experiencing is normal or an underlining problem with something I am doing.
More Information:
Reef Tank Log
UPDATE: Tank has stabilized at 60 ml/day of each Alk/Ca. I started using two Drew’s Peristaltic Dosing pumps along with my ReefKeeper Elite to evenly and alternately dose both throughout the day.
UPDATE: Tank has stabilized once Ca levels dropped below 600 ppm and was able to discontinue dosing Alk and Ca. It appears the high levels was giving false perception needing to dose large amounts of Alk and set a cycle in place until the Ca dropped to appropriate levels.
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Holmes-Farley, Randy. “The “How To” Guide to Reef Aquarium Chemistry for Beginners, Part 2: What Chemicals Must be Supplemented.” Reefkeeping Magazine. April 2007. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-04/rhf/index.php. Accessed 17 January 2010.
Holmes-Farley, Randy. “Reef Aquarium Water Parameters.” Reefkeeping Magazine. May 2004. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-05/rhf/index.php. Accessed 17 January 2010.
Holmes-Farley, Randy. “When Do Calcium and Alkalinity Demand Not Exactly Balance?” Reefkeeping Magazine. December 2004. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-12/rhf/index.php. Accessed 17 January 2010.
Written by Geoff on June 19, 2009 – 8:44 pm
I thought the issue may be a problem with one batch of Tropic Marine Pro so I bought another box and it tested at same levels 0.14 ppm after addition to RO/DI source water tested at 0 ppm. This leads me to believe it is a Tropic Marine Pro which is adding excessive phosphates to my tank and not just from food.
I switched to Reef Crystals per discussions I had researched on Reef Central and based on target levels I wanted to keep for my SPS. After some time, I was able to get all parameters near targets and able to maintain over several months through only water changes and Kalk top off.
Written by Geoff on April 23, 2009 – 9:09 pm
Written by Geoff on April 18, 2009 – 7:09 pm
Base System
NOTE: Dosages are based on 25 gallon total system.
Additional Supplements
The following were chosen based on my tank needs and will be started when nutrients stabilize at target levels:
NOTE: Dosages are based on 25 gallon total system.
Initially, I am not using the main part of the system, ZEOvit, as I did not know I should until further research was completed into the ZEOvit System. I need to find a reactor which can be stirred daily as the ZEOvit reactor is not available as a hang on reactor which I need for my nano. I will continue the other parts to the system knowing my results may or may not be negatively impacted.
The jury is still out on the effectiveness of ZEOvit in marine environment. It is proposed to bind ammonia which prevents it from cycling through to nitrates. There are arguments it is not affective in binding ammonia in the marine environment. Instead it is argued ZEOvit is only good as another growth medium for bacteria and not needed in marine environment. Many say that it is not true and use antidotal evidence from observations of their coral health when using ZEOvit. I hope to test this by starting without ZEOvit.
During the daily shaking of the ZEOvit reactor, I am getting nice mulm which is being released and the coral seem to love shown by them extending their polyps more.
With all of these good indicators, I am struggling to get the nutrients exported. I am purposely not changing the GFO as frequently in anticipation of phasing it out. I need to be more patient.
I finally took my GFO reactor offline this last week and don’t think it was doing much as I had not changed media in awhile and I had to chip it out as it was caked.
Phosphates have dropped to a good level and nitrates are not increasing past 26.4 ppm. I am stumped to why nitrates are staying at that level and not increasing or decreasing. I will again attempt using water changes to decrease and will confirm if leaching from some other source if raises again to 26.4 ppm shortly after decreasing numbers from water changes.
Can not wait for the nutrients to start going down and not sure if the low phosphates is due to the algae growth consuming it. Everything else checks out ok: skimming, parameters, RODI, feeding habits, and light schedule. Starting to be more difficult being patient waiting for nutrients to be undetectable with reliable tests as I past three months using this system.
Based on my observations and comparing to tanks not using ZEOvit system, I have not been sold entirely this carbon dosing system is better than any others and question if ULNS is really that important or beneficial to corals but instead LNS as described here. I have sustained STN and RTN in my tank and question if it is my husbandry or the ZEOvit system. There has been a new product brought to market which I am going to try, NP Biopellets. I have been reading on a major online forum about the NP Biopellets as an alternate to carbon based dosing and will be try supplementing this in place of ZEOvit, ZEOstart, and ZEOfood7 to drive down nutrients to undetectable levels without the bacterial bloom side affects and STN/RTN events as I have experienced during the time I have been using the ZEOvit system.
As indicated previously, I have not happy how things have been going with my coral health due to the increased nutrient load going on for months, the sudden RTN/STN events, and then the bacterial bloom caused by the carbon based dosing from the ZEOvit system, I contemplated, did some serious homework, and made some major changes to my tank. I removed 10 lbs of rock bringing it down to 15 lbs to improve circulation in the tank and then also removed the sand bed going bare-bottom to remove a potential source of Nitrates. Time will tell if these changes have any impact driving the nutrients down to undetectable levels and improving my coral’s health with ability to increase feeding without worrying about nutrient management as my system will handle what I add to it.
It has been a long road without an end in sight.
Using Lamotte Nitrate test kit and Low Level Phosphate Hanna Photometer (accuracy ±0.04 mg/L, ±4% of reading) unless otherwise noted.
DISCLAIMER: Your results may very as each system is very different from another. For my tank parameters and environment, this was my observations and conclusion. This was not a controlled experiment so there is a potential for a very large margin of error. I would like to see some good scientific experiments on the subject.
Alexander, G. “General information / explanation to the ZeoVit system.” ZEOvit. 06 August 2007. http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10354. Accessed 07 May 2009.
“General Guide for the ZEOvit System.” korallen-zucht.de. Version 1.03. http://www.korallen-zucht.de/files/zeoguide_english_1_03.pdf. Accessed 18 April 2009.
Hessen, Dag O., Thomas R. Anderson. “Excess carbon in aquatic organisms and ecosystems: Physiological, ecological, and evolutionary implications.” Limnol. Oceanogr., 53(4), 2008, 1685–1696. American Society of Limnology and Oceanography, Inc. http://www.aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_53/issue_4/1685.pdf. Accessed 10 May 2009.
Holmes-Farley, Randy. “Phosphate and the Reef Aquarium.” Reefkeeping Magazine. September 2006. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-09/rhf/index.php. Accessed 12 May 2009.
Kallmeyer, Jens. “Zeolite Filters. A Discussion of What Zeolites Are and How They Function.” Wet Web Media. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/…/Zeolite_Filters.htm. Accessed 07 May 2009.
“ULNS Is Not Really L and Far From UL.” Grumpy Old Reefer. 28 October 2009. http://grumpyreefer.net/…./. Accessed 15 November 2009.
Written by Geoff on December 19, 2008 – 10:40 pm
Like any new dosing regime, you want to start slow, watch your inhabitants, and adjust. You want to start at 0.5 ml/day and increase every week 0.5 ml/day until you observe your Nitrates and Phosphates begin to drop. In other people’s experiments, this is where you are suppose to cut the dosage you reached in half. This is now your maintenance dosage which should be no more than 1.0 ml/day for my 25 gallon reef tank based on other people’s experiences. Again, can not stress enough, you want to go slow as you need to grow your bacteria population. Any sudden increase will have negative impacts on your inhabitants as their are no bacteria colonies to consume the ethanol.
While trying to determine your maintenance dosage, watch your tank for any negative impacts to your inhabitants or a sudden bacterial bloom. If observed either, you will want to discontinue for a few days, access your results, and resume.
Another part of the Vodka Dosing system you need is a great skimmer. You want a way to export the waste from the bacteria consuming your nutrients. You will notice your skim turning from the green skim to a black crud. This is expected.
With these in place, you will want to ensure you are measuring and tracking Nitrates and Phosphates to observe the decrease in their numbers. With luck, this system should help you create a low nutrient system which you can maintain over time and then positively impact the health of your inhabitants.
Maybe I stopped to early and what I have read is incorrect for my system. But with this information, observations of my deep sand bed, information others who have failed who also had deep sand beds, and recommendation from my LFS to try ZEOvit, I decided to end the Vodka dosing. As I switch to ZEOvit, I will continue to slowly decrease the daily dosage by 0.5 ml/day each week until completely discontinued.
DISCLAIMER: Your results may very as each system is very different from another. For my tank parameters and environment, this was my observations and conclusion. This was not a controlled experiment so there is a very large margin of error. I would like to see some good scientific experiments on the subject as I would be willing to give it a try again.
Walton , Nathaniel A., and Bjornson, Matt. “Vodka Dosing…Distilled!” Reefkeeping Magazine. Aug. 2008. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php. Accessed 19 December 2008.